Jesus is God

Okay, another survey for everyone.

When did Jesus become God?

Has he always been God? Did he become God just before the creation? Did he become God after the resurrection? After the crucifixion? Is he not YET God? Is he not God and never will be?

Make sure to include your religious affiliation.

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43 thoughts on “Jesus is God

  1. “Before Abraham was born, I AM.” – John 8:58

    Jesus is God, always was, always is, and always will be!

    Rob V. – Non-Denominational Evangelical Charismatic

  2. Jesus became God before linear time began. Before that, I can’t describe a when, really. 🙂

    (I’ve gotten so wishy-washy in my post-Mormon ways…)

  3. I have no idea when Jesus became “fully” God, though I suspect that it was after the resurrection. However, I am extremely confused by the non-trinitarian heretical answers given in this thread by supposedly trinitarian Christians.
    LDS

  4. I reject the question’s assumptions.

    That’s cool. Can you elaborate. Which assumptions are you specifically rejecting?

    However, I am extremely confused by the non-trinitarian heretical answers given in this thread by supposedly trinitarian Christians.
    Can you elaborate?

  5. There are many verses in the which proves jesus as god :
    Deu 6:4 Hear O Isreal:the Lord our God is one Lord.John1:1 In the beginning was the Word and was with God and the was God.John 10:30 I and my Father are one. John17:3 And this life eternal ,that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent.Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one,but God it one.1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,the man Jesus Christ.

  6. Jesus Christ is the “son” of God.
    He said:”I do nothing Save that which I’ve seen my Father do.
    The exact time Christ became a God is not a factor.
    The fact that he is a God and Has a Father that was a God before he was “is”.When one thinks that just because the word beginning is used that means before all,Thats wrong.
    There are many beginnings.
    The beginning of this and many other worlds is a Biblical fact.
    “As many as the sands of the seashore Means:Don’t question the numbers.
    People need embrace the facts that pertain to their own salvation and quit trying to act smart with dumb Questions.
    Who is Gods Fathers Father? Get a life!

  7. Jennings,

    You’re forgetting (or discounting) the dual nature of Christ when on Earth. He was God, yet He still had a Heavenly Father, God the Father, whom He followed in His nature as a man. You cannot discount that.

    John 1:1 says nothing about Him being “a” god (that is a JW belief principally, although I would also say a Mormon belief), it says He “was God.”

    The very phrase “there are many beginnings” is self-contradictory.

  8. The answer at least partly depends on what you mean by “God.” Paul, in 1 Corinthians 8:6 (among other places), seems to distinguish between our Heavenly Father as “God” and Jesus as “Lord.” On the other hand, John 1:1 seems to indicate that Jesus was God “in the beginning.” There’s definitely some paradox involved.

    If pressed for an answer, I’d probably agree with what Katyjane said in #4. In time as we know it, Jesus has always been God. I can’t speak for the situation outside of time.

    Eric — LDS

  9. “The very phrase “there are many beginnings” is self-contradictory.”

    No it isn’t. My lunch break has a beginning. The Bible has a beginning. Each post on this thread has a beginning. Multiple beginnings are everywhere.

    The question is whether there was any ONE BEGINNING.

    To answer, no, there wasn’t. Otherwise you have a state where there was nothing, and even traditional Christians don’t believe that. God, for them, has always existed. Mormons additionally hold that the universe has always existed and that I, and you, have always existed. But that existence has been marked by distinctive events – such as when God organized our planet from pre-existing matter.

    We are all co-eternal with God and so is the universe. So to answer the question of “when did God create Jesus?” The answer is – He never “created” Jesus. Jesus always existed, just like I have. God did however organize our identities into spirit form and did provide a means for us to gain corporeal form.

    This isn’t in the Bible and cannot be proved or disproved by the Bible without making logical leaps that I’m sure evangelicals find quite persuasive. I do not find them persuasive.

  10. Seth R., excuse me, I thought we were talking about “the” beginning, rather than beginnings of different things, such as you illustrated. In that respect, of course there are different beginnings. However, I was referring to “THE” beginning, for which there was only one, I believe.

    We must define “beginning”, and further define whether God predates the beginning. From Gen. 1:1, it should be fairly obvious that God pre-dates the beginning, otherwise He wouldn’t have been around to create the beginning. So God (and by trinitarian extension, Jesus and the Holy Spirit) have ALWAYS existed, even before the “beginning” of what we know as life, the universe, etc… today.

    What Mormons “additionally” hold to (among other things they “additionaly” hold to) is that we also have always existed, which is nowhere found in Scripture at all. “We” have not always existed – we are all created beings, originating AFTER “the beginning”.

  11. Brad,

    What’s your point? So Mormons believe that people’s intelligences have always existed. You might not believe it, and as Seth said, the Bible can’t prove or disprove it, but it’s irrelevant to “The” beginning.

    If you want to debate about whether intelligences always existed or not, it’s not worth it. I believe that that is a latter day revelation (someone correct me if I’m wrong), so Mormons believe it, and you don’t. Difference of opinion.

    And in the scheme of things, does it really even matter? Does it really make a difference if God created my intelligence or if God organized me into such a form as to be capable of life? In either case, I would not have been able to be born without God…

  12. ““We” have not always existed – we are all created beings, originating AFTER “the beginning”.”

    Except that’s not in scripture at all either.

  13. I don’t know if Jesus is a god yet. He may have become a god after his resurrection. But if not then he Will become a god.

    -Fundamentalist Mormon-

  14. The fundamentalist Mormons are sinners.Get rid of the wives and get right with God!
    ps.This blog sucks ! you can pose as anyone..NOT GOOD!!

  15. Since the beginning of our pre-earth life as spirits Jesus has had the authority to act in God’s name. When he created the earth he acted as God. Many times in the Bible it refers to Jesus as God, which means he was used God’s authority so he can be considered God.

    It also depends on your definition of God. He was not made perfect, like unto Heavenly Father, until after his resurrection. So you could say he wasn’t a God until after his resurrection.

    LDS

  16. I have a hard time understanding why anyone believes that Jesus is different from God the Father. Over and over again the in the Bible, God states “I AM”. And He says he is the only God. And Jesus makes several claims at Godhood as he is ‘one with the Father’ and so forth. So since Jesus is one with God the Father. And God the Father has always been ….. well I just don’t get the question.

  17. Yes hutch, but “over and over again” in the Bible it also explicitly portrays them as separate beings as well. We Mormons hold the oneness to be a oneness of purpose.

  18. You don’t get the question because you’re reading the Bible and understanding it through a very specific interpretive lens.

  19. Hutch,

    When we get married are we not supposed to become one with our spouse? Does that mean we merge into one being? Or is it symbolic?

  20. Jesus is not God.
    Jesus is Jesus, God is God.

    (don’t trinitarians believe this too?)

    “Everything is what it is, and not another thing.”

    Bishop Joseph Butler, Fifteen Sermons, Preface § 39

    LDS

  21. Trinitarians believe that God is God. They also believe that that there is only one God and that Jesus is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.

    3 persons, 1 God.

    regardless of a belief in trinitarianism or not, a cursory reading of John 1 shows that Jesus is God. If you don’t believe that Jesus is God, then you don’t believe the New Testament to be reliable.

  22. El Hijo de Dios (Jesus/Jehová) es Dios desde que ha estado organizando mundos incontables (Moises 1:33). Desde antes del comienzo del tiempo de este universo. LDS (CHILE)

  23. I’ll translate for Luis: “The Son of God (Jesus/Jehovah) has been God ever since he has been organizing uncountable worlds (Moses 1:33), since before the the beginning of time in this universe.”

  24. Jesus is fully and eternally God, the second person of the Trinity, existing outside of time. Within the parameters of created time and space, there was no time when Jesus was not fully God.

    Non-denominational Protestant.

  25. Yes, but he doesn’t have a leadership role anymore.

    He used to attend and preach infrequently before we moved away in 2009, but I have not seen him around since we came back.

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